[Nordskogen] Accessible Helpful Support was demos -

[Gwen Trevirensis]

Yes, Giovanna's post should have been prefaced by "in my opinion" because it
came across that it was a decree.  I have met some really nice people here,
but I have to say I have run into some of the nastiest people I have ever
run into in the SCA here as well....and that's 20 years folks.  So maybe
instead of worrying about becoming better on the outside, some of the people
in this Barony need to work on becoming better on the inside.  No amount of
expensive fabric is going to make a nasty person look good or make a good
impression.
Victory is fleeting.  Just remember that a title CAN be taken away, just as
easily as it is gained.  A certain baron in Bright Hills lost his title
because of his behaviour.

Gwen

On 7/18/06, A. B. <nasionnaich at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>    I  have  been  keeping  up  on the doings of the Barony and the SCA in
>    general,  even  though  I have not attended any meetings or events for
>    quite  some  time. I have been following this "discussion", and I feel
>    that  it  is time I speak out on this subject. I am going to be blunt,
>    and I make no apologies for doing so. If you don't want to "hear" what
>    I have to say, just hit the "delete" button right now and you will not
>    have to worry about being offended.
>
>    Thank you Devin (Brenda) and Iriye (Elizabeth), for stating what I was
>    trying  to  say  to  people last year (and it seemed to fall on mostly
>    deaf  ears  then). Not everyone has oodles of money available to spend
>    on  the  SCA.  Not  everyone has oodles of time to do SCA things. Some
>    people  have enough trouble just getting by while indulging their need
>    for  interests outside of the home. Those who do have lots of time and
>    money,  good  for  you  --  but  PLEASE do not expect everyone else to
>    participate  and  or be as authentic at all times as yourselves. There
>    really  are people who truly wish to be a part of the SCA, yet are not
>    able to shine nearly as brightly as those in the "Inner Circle".
>
>    I was helping to set up a Court one night at a weekily meeting (it was
>    a  Folkmoot  night), when one of the "Royalty" snapped that she wasn't
>    helpless,  goddammit,  she  could do things for herself. I was made to
>    feel,  whether  intentionally  or  not, that my help was very much NOT
>    welcome.  Things  like  this do not make people want to volunteer very
>    much  at  all,  because what's the point of volunteering when you will
>    not be thanked for it anyway.
>
>    And  when  ANYONE  in  ANY  position  of  Authority  even implies that
>    something  just  has to be done "this way and not that way", it really
>    DOES  come  across  as  being  a "Royal Decree". Even when the implied
>    "decree"  is just a suggestion. Those of you who are in such positions
>    of  Authority  should wait  before hitting that "send" button and read
>    what  you  have written, just to see if there is any possible way your
>    message can be misunderstood -- no matter how good your intentions may
>    be. I hope we all know what the road to H*** is paved with.
>
>    Hopefully,  now some people will see at least one of the reasons why I
>    decided  to  take  some time away from active participation in the SCA
>    and  leave  all of the petty bickering and politics which seem to have
>    become  such  an  integral part of the SCA. Real Life -- "Mundania" --
>    should  have more than enough politics for everyone. And by "politics"
>    I  mean the practice (whether conciously or subconciously) of snubbing
>    others because their "kit" isn't "good enough" or other such things.
>    ---Artúr Dúbh Mac a'Gobhaínn
>        ______________________________________________________________
>
>      From: "Elizabeth Chase" <elizabethlchase at msn.com>
>      Reply-To: The Hall of Nordskogen
>      <nordskogen at nordskogen.northshield.org>
>      To: "The Hall of Nordskogen"
>      <nordskogen at nordskogen.northshield.org>
>      Subject: [Nordskogen] Accessible Helpful Support was demos -
>      Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:42:59 -0500
>      I  have  a  suggestion...... how about changing this thread to 'how
>      helpful can we be'? Attempts like this at some kind of
>      mediation  make me grind me teeth. I agree that in substance, there
>      was no 'decree of authenticity' concretely stated..... however,
>      as  in  all forms of communication, the effect on the recipients is
>      what is important.... if they feel that the decree is there, then
>      it is implied.
>      snip............snip
>
>      .
>      Leaders, intentionally or not, defacto or implied, set the example.
>      We need to quit telling other people what fish to eat and start
>      teaching  them  how  to  fish for themselves. Individually, hand to
>      hand..... They will teach someone else how to fish......
>      ... or so the story goes......
>      Anyway, one more stir of the spoon......
>      Iriye
>      (who is secretly hoping to just get folks thinking)
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